Clive and Katy were travelling around the world when they ran out of money in San Diego and stayed! That was 28 years ago. They have 4 children and travel extensively, often renting homes from others. Clive owns his own surveying business and Katy is a CFO for start up companies. They have 4 grown children, 2 of whom are now in University and the other 2 have graduated but live close.